Tricky boot manager issue.

I've spent several hours now researching the problem I have with my new build and haven't found anyone with quite the same issue. I think I know a solution but find it hard to believe it is the only way.

Basically, I have just built a new Ivy Bridge PC with OCZ Vertex 4 SSD. I did a clean install of Windows 7 x64 and it works great. However, this is an HTPC and one of my media drives used to have my old W7 32-bit system partition on it. To make it more complicated that system was an upgrade from XP, that was originally dual boot W7/XP.

The Issue is this. All is great if the above media drive is not connected at boot time, but that isn't really practical! If I have the media drive with the old system partition on it connected at boot the boot will fail, regardless of any boot order I set in my GA-Z77-DH BIOS. The spurious boot record on the old system drive seems to take over and crashes attempting to boot.

When I realised this was the issue I deleted the system partition. With that space "unallocated" all is good. However, last night I decided to try to reuse the 100gb of space for a backup partition. Now I find if that space is allocated in anyway it will prevent my system booting. Provided it is unallocated all is good, but if allocated the PC will crash, regardless of boot priority and despite the fact there are no longer any remnants of a Windows7 system in the partition.

At the moment the only options I seem to have are

A) accept I just have to lose that 100GB of space and leave it unallocated
B) copy1.8TB off the drive to another so I can use Diskpart to "clean" the drive.

Are those really the only options or is there another safe way to clear the boot record without risking 1.8TB of data loss! Thanks!

Hello Jong, to Windows 7 Forums,

Have to admit, I've never heard of that one either.

Did you use the Windows 7 Disk Management tool to format the problem partition or a 3rd party tool?

Try using this tool; Ultimate Boot CD - Download the UBCD

It has a plethora of free PC tools.
I believe under HDD, one of the tools will only delete the MBR on a disk.
It's worth a try anyway, I've used these tools before and they do a great job

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful;
Don

Thanks Don, I'll take a look and let you know. My concern is that many of these tools seem to risk data loss and, frankly, I'd prefer to lose 100GB of space than 1.8TB of data! Would you be happy to use this tool in that way (realising it would always be safer to backup first!)?

To answer your question I used Windows Disc Mangement to delete and format the partition, but it does not seem to help. I'm not sure why this is so odd. It might be because, from memory, I think it was an Acronis Boot Management tool I used when I was dual booting W7/XP. It might also be a bug in the UEFI BIOS on my new motherboard. I don't see how a secondary drive should be able to override the BIOS boot priority! The BIOS is odd, there are separate priority lists for HDDs and removable media. Then, in theory, you chose which of the lists you wish to have priority. But it isn't quite as simple as that, there are things on the second list that aren't in the others, like one of them is "Windows Boot Manager"!!! No drive details, just Windows Boot Manager. How can you have a boot priority list that has that on it rather than just a list of devices? It beats me!

Anyway, I will definitely take a look at that tool, thanks.

Could you use the snipping tool to take a picture of your Disk Management window? You could attach it using the paperclip on the Advanced replies page. We need to see the graphical representation of the drives and partitions. Make sure and expand the window to see most of the info.

Did you install the new system to the SSD using the UEFI install? The Windows Boot Manager is the boot system in the bios that controls UEFI boots.

Other than that, a system will only try to boot to an active partition. Diskpart can make a partition inactive. But UEFI systems do not use active partitions at all.

Hello Jong,

If I remember correctly, some motherboards in the BIOS settings have an option to be controlled by the OS, at least I'm pretty sure that's what I saw on mine, I'll have to re-check it.
Yes, I'd be satisfied using that tool in that way, as I said, I've used many tools from that and if there is any program, diagnostic tool or security app that does not do what it claims, I will not use it and definitely not recommend it to others.

Keep us posted on your current issue.

Regards
Don

Originally Posted by Saltgrass

Could you use the snipping tool to take a picture of your Disk Management window? You could attach it using the paperclip on the Advanced replies page. We need to see the graphical representation of the drives and partitions. Make sure and expand the window to see most of the info.

Did you install the new system to the SSD using the UEFI install? The Windows Boot Manager is the boot system in the bios that controls UEFI boots.

Other than that, a system will only try to boot to an active partition. Diskpart can make a partition inactive. But UEFI systems do not use active partitions at all.

Hi ya, Saltgrass, thanks for taking the time to help!

Attached is the screen shot you asked for. As you can see, I currently have the troublesome partition set to "unallocated" and all is good. But the system will refuse to boot if I allocate it, even if it is formatted, empty, or full of other stuff! The other odd thing is my new 3TB drive seems to appear twice in the list. It was originally set up to appears as 2 drives, presumably to get around the 2TB limit on older systems. I have managed to consolidate it into one drive but it has left this remnant. I am ignoring it, it is not causing any problems!

I have checked the troublesome drive and none of its partitions are "Active". But, as you say, that may not mean anything with UEFI.

I admit this is my first venture into UEFI so I'd appreciate any understanding you can give, but this Gigabyte boot priority thing seems mighty odd. First you choose the priority for your HDDs and a separate priority list for any removable media. Then the top entry from each of these is supposed to appear in a consolidate list where you choose if you want to boot from HDD or removable media. At least that is how it is described in the manual!! In fact, not only the top entries in the list appear. there are two entries for my SSD - P1:OCZ Vertex 4 and UEFI:OCZ Vertex 4. I have no idea really which should be picked! Then there is this other entry "Windows Boot Manager", with no indication of what device it resides on. I really do not get what that is doing in a boot priority list!! I am going to post in the Gigabyte forum @TweakTown to see if anyone can explain it to me, but I have tried them all as the No1 boot device and if I have that troublesome 100GB partition allocated in Windows the system will not boot. I get the black and white "Windows is Loading Files" display with the white progress bar you will be familiar with and then I am told that Windows has failed to start. But if i unallocate that partition or disconnect the drive altogether all is perfect.

I must admit, I have looked at the product Adamsappleone linked to, which I am very grateful for, but at the moment I am leaning on just leaving the 100GB as wasted space or maybe copying it all off one day and doing a full Diskpart clean. It doesn't seem worth the risk of data loss to me.

Oh, the answer to your other question is I do not know the answer, unfortunately!!

The MB has a UEFI BIOS, of course, but all I did was insert the installation disc in the Blu-ray drive and boot. I did not do anything in the BIOS and I do not remember if I even set the boot priority at this stage as I was confident there was nothing else it could boot off!

Any drive larger that 2.2 TB needs set to the GPT system and not MRB. Your SSD is set that way. To convert the other drive, you can use Disk Management and right click in the area where The Disk number and info are given. You could also use Diskpart, but any info on the drive will be removed, so move anything you want to keep.

Other informational items that might be relevant later are a UEFI system can only boot to a GPT drive. But other formats can be used for non-booting drives.

You do have a UEFI system, so you would set the Windows Boot Manager to the first item in the boot priority in the bios. If that does not work, try doing a Startup Repair to get it back. In UEFI, you do not set a drive as a boot device in the bios, unless you were trying to boot to a MBR install.

Different bioses seem to handle UEFI systems differently. I have an ASUS board with an AMI bios. For me to boot to the UEFI version of the Install DVD, I have to use the F8 key and select that version of the DVD. To repair your system, yours might boot directly into the UEFI version, but that is where you would have to be to repair anything. My Recovery CDs have never worked with the UEFI system.

Edit: If you wanted to check your drive configuration, Diskpart is an easy way to to that. Just open an Administrative command prompt and follow the commands shown in the attachment. You can see the * designating the GPT configuration.

I'm a bit confused by what you are sating about the 3TB drive. As you can see it is already being recognised as 3TB. It is already GPT. It was just pre-formatted on arrival to appear as 2 separate drives, each under 2TB, and now appears to have a spurious second unallocated drive. It is causing no problems though.

I'm also confused by the rest of your post, sorry! My system will boot whether I set Windows Boot Manager or UEFI:OCZ or P1:OCZ as the first entry, provided that 100GB partition is unallocated. However, if if the 100GB partition is allocated none work.

My bios does not give me the option of setting a UEFI version of a drive as a boot device, just Windows Boot Manager with an associated drive. Do you have the problem with the 100 GB partition the same whether booting to the Windows Boot Manager, or the UEFI:OCZ?

You still might try a Startup Repair and see how the Repair sets up your system.

I'm a bit confused by what you are sating about the 3TB drive. As you can see it is already being recognised as 3TB. It is already GPT. It was just pre-formatted on arrival to appear as 2 separate drives, each under 2TB, and now appears to have a spurious second unallocated drive. It is causing no problems though.

If the drive was formatted especially to work in a Non-UEFI system, it may have been altered in a way that is showing the strange results. You have 3 hard drives on your system? I am going to say the formatting of the 3 TB drive is part of the problem.

What happens if you leave the old drive and disconnect the new drive?