Application: Classic Shell

Yes,I saw your image of your Windows 8. One is of Windows Explorer with the ribbon,the other is of Windows Explorer with the ribbon disabled. Which makes it look like Windows 7. Actually from what I have seen of it,it is not the ribbon that is the problem. As that is just a toolbar in Windows Explorer that looks rather like the one I saw in Windows 2000 on the web. And because I am using Classic Shell,I have toolbar buttons in Windows Explorer on my Windows 7. Thanks to Classic Explorer. And from what I see,that's all the ribbon is,a tool bar,with buttons,a bit like the one in Wordpad.

In Windows XP they got rid of the toolbar or ribbon in Windows Exporer and Windows XP Explorer looks rather like Windows 7's.Except that the folders in Windows XP are round not square,like in Windows 7.

But as I said the Windows Explorer in Windows 8 just has toolbar buttons,you click the paste or delete button. They call it the ribbon,but that is not the problem. It's that Metro,tiled desktop and the no start menu and taskbar that is a big problem.

And Microsoft should think more about simple computer users like me and other people who cannot use advanced operating systems. And only just about manage using a computer and who have just learned to use Windows XP. And because Windows Vista and Windows 7 is so similar,we know how to use it. The start menu is very important to Windows users,it is the first thing we look for when doing anything. And we need it to access the settings. And it is true that a lot of Microsoft software like Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer is not pinned to the desktop by default. But we pin the icons to the desktop as a shortcut we can access easy to save searching from the start menu. But that is not the same as those Metro tiles. As the Metro tiles are not desktop shortcuts and don't work the same way.

The chances are that if I was on Windows 8 and I installed,say,Firefox,it would not show up as a Tile and I would not be able to find it on my computer. And so I could not launch Firefox. I have been there with Linux. On Jolicloud where they have that Ugly black scren that looks like Windows booted into safe mode and big icon tiles. Many times,I installed software and could not find it.It was the same thing on Ubuntu where they have that desktop. That is why I don't want Windows 8. It reminds me of Mac,although I have never used it just seen it,and Linux. And I cannot use Linux and I probably won't be able to use Mac either.

So here is how to avoid getting stuck with Windows 8- Now-stock up on Windows 7 laptops. Buy at least 6 or more laptops or netbooks that are Windows 7. And also get Windows XP and Windows Vista to add to your collection,as they too are good choices. And put them away in a cupboard some where. Then when in the future they do stop selling Windows 7 and only sell Windows 8. When your laptops you are using wear out,you just take out one of your stored away Windows 7 laptops. And use it. And because you have socked up on Windows 7 laptops,you will have enough to last you the next 20 years. So you can carry on using Windows 7,Windows XP or Windows Vista for the next 20 years. And never have to use Windows 8 or be in a situation where you are stuck with Windows 8.

That seems the only way to avoid Windows 8. Andrea Borman.

You are not paying attention again. I only posted one screen shot. Just one, no more. That is my desktop, running on multiple monitors.

Ribbon in Windows 2000? There was no ribbon in any Microsoft product until 2006. It all started with Office 2007. The ribbon is way more than just a tool bar. It takes all of the item from what was the menu bar and adds them as icons, instead of text buttons. It is very cool to say the lease. The tiles are the start menu. I cannot explain that to you any easier than that. That is the start menu. THAT IS THE SRART MENU.

Okay, granted I have to give you the point about the tiles on the start menu. I have found it a little difficult working with them. It can be annoying to get Windows to add what you want it to add to the start menu tiles. That is nothing that can't be fixed by adding a few context menu options in the explorer. And you don't pin anything to the start menu. It is a short cut in the desktop directory in your profile directory. But I wont get to far off. It might blow your mind.

This is nothing like Mac OS. I installed Firefox on 8. It installed fine and 8 added the tile just fine. Though there where some technical issues when trying to run Firefox. That will be fixed up about the time that the RC comes out. Mozilla is good about getting stuff done.

Your idea of stocking up on computers for a long time is really, really stupid. It is so stupid in fact that I feel dumber for reading it. You should feel ashamed for even suggesting that idea to any one in the world. That is so completely horrible, the only thing to do now is to pray for forgiveness. May God have mercy on your soul. Technology moves fast. There will be a point that those computers that you get today wont even be able to run simple web games. My Dell Desktops that I have, and are still running by the way, have that problem. They are running with Pentium 4 processors. Not bad for simple text editing, but they have issues with running some of the new technologies, in example: flash and shockwave. Granted they where running Vista and 7, but the principle is still the same. They are now enjoying retirement as simple file servers for my network.

Well,I don't do any gaming on my computer.Some people use Windows for gaming to play games but I don't.But I thought that Windows 8 did have a start menu in the left hand corner, but it just was not so obvious as in Windows 7. And you said that Classic Shell does work on Windows 8. So on Windows 8 I could have a Windows 7 or even a Windows XP or classic start menu if I wanted that. And I read a post on a Windows 8 forum that you can disable the Metro tiles and just have a Windows 7 desktop on Windows 8. But I don't know if you did this it would let you pin small program icons on your desktop like it is in Windows 7 and other versions of Windows. On Windows 7 and Windows XP you right click with your mouse and select send to desktop to create a shortcut on your desktop. But I don't know if doing this in Windows 8 will give you the small icons on your desktop like on Windows 7,instead of the tiles. Which is what I would want.

From what I read you can disable the metro theme, and you get a Windows 7 Aero desktop. But I don't know if you can set Windows 8 to Windows Classic theme,where the Aero is disabled,like on Windows 7. But at least on Windows 7 Aero, you would have a normal desktop and start menu and no tiles.

But what about the other problems in Windows 8? I have read that Internet Explorer comes with no add ons at all,no flash player. So you cannot watch videos on the web.What good is that? Also my netbooks are built to run Windows 7 although they could run Windows Vista or Windows XP if I could find a way to install it. And maybe they could run Windows 2000? But they are Windows 7 netbooks and Windows 8 is too different from the rest of the versions of Windows. So it is probably doubtful that they could run Windows 8 anyway.

Which suits me fine as I don't want Windows 8. And a lot of people, including me, are going to have problems using Windows 8. Because it is not like the other versions of Windows.

And the problem is that I don't have a Windows 7 CD because I have netbooks. So I would not be able to roll back to Windows 7 on a Windows 8 laptop.By installing Windows 7 on it. And also I read hat they have made the boot system in Windows 8. So you cannot install other operating systems on there. Not even Linux. So Linux users won't like that. Andrea Borman.

Originally Posted by NaiyaShamiso

Your idea of stocking up on computers for a long time is really, really stupid. It is so stupid in fact that I feel dumber for reading it. You should feel ashamed for even suggesting that idea to any one in the world. That is so completely horrible, the only thing to do now is to pray for forgiveness. May God have mercy on your soul.

I suppose an idea can be stupid, without necessarily implying that the holder of said idea is stupid as well so given that as a premise I suppose we can let your comment pass. But this forum is about learning and sharing ideas with one another in a friendly and respectful manner.
Some people are slower to learn and more reluctant to change (Classic Shell comes to mind. I just don't get it.) But with that in mind we want to refrain whenever and where ever possible from implicit or explicit pejoratives that might be interpreted as potentially, trolling, flame baiting or just plain rude.
Everyone is not an expert or power user, daily we find ourselves communicating with people who are just barely getting by with all sorts of technology (both hardware and software) which could be due to any number of reasons, not the least of which might be personal financial constraints.
I'm not defending anyone or any particular idea. I'm only asking for understanding, cooperation and consideration from and for everyone.

Trouble, I see your point and understand 100%. I did indeed intend that the idea was dumb. I will pay more attention to how I say things in the future. Andrea is not dumb and has brought a few good points to the table. She is just not getting the major point. The tiles are the start menu. Click on the start menu in the same place, and up comes the tiles. I have been working with the new tiled start menu and it is frustrating. I have tried all that I know other than registry edits to add items that I want. Though to no avail. The only way that I have been successful is to install item to the system with an installer. Though there is so much that is in the OS be default that do not show up on that menu. I can see that classic shell will be used a good bit if this is not fixed in the Beta and RC. Like I have stated in pervious posts, it can be fixed really simply with a context menu item. The big thing that should be addressed is the lack of planning on the IE side of things. When you try to run a web link our of an email or application it tries to load it in the metro style 64 bit IE. I have as of yet found a way to change that default. Though I have not looked for a way do so. This could be a result of the IE 10 programming though.

Originally Posted by NaiyaShamiso

Trouble, I see your point and understand 100%. I did indeed intend that the idea was dumb. I will pay more attention to how I say things in the future. Andrea is not dumb and has brought a few good points to the table. She is just not getting the major point. The tiles are the start menu. Click on the start menu in the same place, and up comes the tiles. I have been working with the new tiled start menu and it is frustrating. I have tried all that I know other than registry edits to add items that I want. Though to no avail.

So you admit that Windows 8 is not user friendly like Windows 7 is. I did not think it would be. I think it is disgusting that Microsoft want to get rid of the Windows desktop and start menu.And replace it with those tiles that we cannot figure out how to use. What do they expect inexperience computer users like me to do? How am I and other people supposed to manage with the new Windows 8? Should we be unlucky enough to be forced to use it one day?

If they are going to make Windows 8,then make it with the normal Windows start menu and desktop. It is what we understand and know how to use. Not this ugly Metro theme that we cannot use.

And they should not have stopped selling Windows XP and Windows Vista in England. As it should be out choice what version of Windows we use. And I don't want to use Windows 8 and I hope I never have to face using Windows 8. Because I know I will have difficulty using it. Unless they make it with a normal start menu and desktop. And with Windows Search which helps me a lot on Windows 7.

But now that there is talk of Windows 8 being brought out and the possibility that you may not be able to buy Windows 7 in the future. Which I hope does not happen.

I am now thinking of buying that Windows Vista laptop or netbook I have seen in shops that sell reconditioned laptops. Why not? At least Windows Vista has a normal desktop and start menu and is like Windows 7. Anyone who understands Windows 7,will feel at home on Windows Vista. Andrea Borman.

Originally Posted by Andrea Borman

So you admit that Windows 8 is not user friendly like Windows 7 is.

Really..??? That's what you took away from that?
Seriously this is a pre-beta, developers preview, that was never intended to be critiqued like it is the final RTM, which we will not likely even see for another 12 months, through hopefully more betas, release candidates, CTPs, etc., where hopefully we will see some affect of careful and thoughtful criticism.
Feel free to wash you hands of the future product based solely on rumors or other people's opinions without ever giving it a fair chance to win you over. I can still remember when I went to Win95 my best DOS/Windows 3.1 buddy, asking "What the heck did you do that for". Progress, although somewhat dubious progress with the first release of 95, but still.
Feel free to spend you money as you see fit. But standing still, or even worse stepping backwards, when it comes to technology, puts you in jeopardy of being run over.
Good luck
Randy

Originally Posted by Trouble

I can still remember when I went to Win95 my best DOS/Windows 3.1 buddy, asking "What the heck did you do that for". Progress, although somewhat dubious progress with the first release of 95, but still.

Randy

I thought that Windows 95 was the very first Windows operating system that people had on their computers and went on the Internet with. And that Windows 3.1 was not an operating system. I did not even know there was a Windows 3.1. I thought that first came Windows 95 in 1995,then Windows 98,then Windows 2000,then Windows ME, and then Windows XP. Which then led to Windows Vista and Windows 7. But I have never head of Windows 3.1. Andrea Borman.

The first Microsoft windows was 'Windows 1.0' released in 1985.

Well I remember 1985,and I don't remember anyone talking about the Internet then. That was not invented until 1998.When in London they opened an Internet cafe in a shopping centre. That offered classes on how to use the computer and Internet.

They have had computers since the 1970's and before that. But they were not for public use only police stations and government offices used them. I don't think they had the Internet before 1995.It was not invented before then. Andrea Borman.