Application: Classic Shell

My bad!
We Old Timers have that problem..... we tend to say what we think regardless of who we're saying it to or the consequences.

But when we're supposed to be here to help the nubes and casual users, with the best information we can,
it's counter productive to tell someone to NOT use any AV, AS or AM software. Heck I use it all and share it
all with my customers. If someone is going to be S$%&@, at least they should keep it to themselves.

I have my own forum (annonymous) and I'd ban someone for advocating NOT using AV/AS software.
The best AV software companies in the world, provide a FREE version of their software, to cut down on
the number of viruses and spyware circulating in the Wild.

I've heard a few say that AV software slows down their PC too much. Cheeeech! Their PC must be a real dog
loaded up with every POC possible. Clean up that mess and the AV software won't slow it down.
I run AVG 2011 Internet Security and MalwareBytes Pro both on my own PC and they don't slow it down a bit.

I had to work on a kid's PC this past week. It had NO AV and AS software. It did however have several trojans
posing as AV/AS software. I had to remove literally hundreds of pieces of spyware and viruses and Trojans.
Then clean out over 100,000 temp and junk files. Then replace several drivers that were totally missing.
It was amazing that the PC still ran. (sort of)
Some local jerkwad PC tech had put in a mis-matched pair of RAM sticks and only one was even working, leaving
the little PC with only 256meg's of ram.
I have a solution for tech's like that, but Tar and Feathering has been deemed illegal. Shucks!

When will they ever learn?

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?
Old Timer

Some local jerkwad PC tech had put in a mis-matched pair of RAM sticks and only one was even working, leaving
the little PC with only 256meg's of ram.
I have a solution for tech's like that, but Tar and Feathering has been deemed illegal. Shucks!

I hate tech's like that. I'm all for making a profit but even the dumbest of tech's know never to use mismatched RAM. I've also tested machines I've built before letting the user near it, if it doesn't pass memtest and a 25hr prime95 it's not being handed over.

Tar and feathering is Illegal guess I didn't get that memo

Originally Posted by nmsuk

Why are you still using IE6, using this your putting your machine at risk from malicious content. If your going to use IE please use the latest. The same goes for any browser use the latest as they get updated with security fixes all the time. Your proctice of using IE6 and not using AV is in my opinion fool hardy.

I have been on Windows XP computers in Internet cafes, that have upgraded from the default IE6 to IE7 or IE8 and it has slowed down the system. It is the same on Windows 7 when I upgraded from IE8 to IE9. So I went back to IE8.

Windows XP comes with IE6,Windows Vista with IE7, and Windows 7 with IE8.

But it makes no difference. All IEs look alike except for IE9,which looks different,but is no better than the rest. Actually the worst is IE7,which may be all right for Windows Vista, but works poor on anything else.

And as I never use Internet Explorer anyway,it does not affect me. Although if I had Windows 2000,that comes with IE5,you need at least IE5.5 in order to get updates. So you would have to upgrade and a lot a lot of web pages do not display properly in IE5 and IE5.5.

But the highest version of Internet Explorer you can upgrade to in Windows 2000,is IE6. In Windows 98,it is IE6 and in Windows 95 it is IE5.5.

The only programs I removed from Windows XP are Windows Messenger 4.7, because it won't let you sign into it.You get a message telling you it is no longer supported,telling you to upgrade to Windows Live Messenger. And I removed MSN Explorer web browser because you have to pay to use it. And I don't want to do that. So these two programs were pretty much useless.

But the Internet gossips I read about Windows XP having more viruses are not true. I have not installed any anti virus software on my Windows XP. Just like I have not installed any anti virus software on my Windows 7. And I have never got a computer virus on my Windows XP.

But I have installed Windows Defender on my Windows XP. Because for some reason it did not come with Windows XP and I have it on my Windows 7. Windows XP also has got Malicious Software removal Tool-MRT,like Windows 7 has. Andrea Borman.

I cut my teeth as a service tech at NCR, (circa 1964) repairing cash registers and bank accounting machines.
They were either 100% correct or they were 100% wrong.
I've carried that discipline over to my work with PC's. They're either Right or they're Wrong.

But knowingly putting bad or mis-matched parts in a customer's PC is just plain criminal.
Every PC I work on gets the Full Treatment, just like as if I were working on my own PC.
They get cleaned, de-loused and optimized.
Then they get a complete 'Package' of anti Malware software. Even AVG FREE will get an update and
run a scan every day, automatically. NO user intervention required.

I regularly get comments like, "DANG! This thing ain't even run this fast when it was new!"

My admonishion to anyone mucking about with computers, "If you can't do it right, leave it alone".

What was the topic again?

OH YES! Classic Shell. I won't set up a PC these days, without it. Nice program.
It makes Windows 7 look and act less like it was written on Mars.

Originally Posted by OldTimer

Firefox is still updating version 3.6 (up to 3.6.20 now) even though they have released ver's 4, 5, 6, and now 7.
Personally, I like 3.6 the best. It just seems more user friendly.
And with the 'Coral I.E. Tab' add-on, I never need to actually open I.E. to go to any I.E. specific web site, even
MS Updates.
What was the topic again?

OH YES! Classic Shell. I won't set up a PC these days, without it. Nice program.
It makes Windows 7 look and act less like it was written on Mars.



Old Timer

Firefox 3 is now discontinued and has been replaced with Firefox 5. So now there is no Firefox 3.6. But if you prefer Firefox 3.6 to Firefox 4 or 5,you can get Pale Moon browser. Which is a Firefox browser made only for Windows. Pale Moon comes either in version 3.6.20 which the same as Firefox 3.6.20, but they also do Pale Moon 5. Which is the same as Firefox 5 but Pale Moon have no plans to discontinue their 3.6 versions.

So you have a choice of either Pale Moon 3 or Pale Moon 5. I have got Pale Moon 3,which I find is faster than Firefox. And I have also got Safefox 3.51 another Firefox based browser based on Firefox 3.5.1,an earlier version of Firefox.

You could also try Wyzo,another browser that is based on Firefox 3. But there is nothing that is very much different from Windows 7 from Windows XP. Apart from the fact that Windows XP does not have transparent-Areo themes-which I don't use on my Windows 7 anyway. But if you have used Windows Vista,or Windows XP,Windows 7 is very much like that really.

And the nice thing about Classic Shell is that I can also have a Windows XP start menu on Windows 7,as well as a better classic start menu. Than the one that is provided on Windows XP,which has just basic features.

Since I got my Windows XP Netbooks,which I use as well as my Windows 7 ones. I have always said that Windows XP is Windows 7,just an earlier version of it. As the system and settings are very similar to Windows 7,with only a few differences. It is just that Windows XP has a lot more software and theme support included in it. So you don't have to install any extra software. And it takes up less ram than Windows 7. So it is faster than Windows 7. But Windows XP and Windows 7 are both good choices. Andrea Borman.

I'm sorry but windows XP doesn't have more theme support than windows 7. Please stop posting untruths about 7. Everything Windows xp can do 7 can do better and is more secure to boot.

Untruths abound!

As far as Firefox 3.6.?? is concerned, version 20 was just released last week or so.
I've never understood this crap about "Support" for some piece of software, like XP. If it runs OK today, it will run OK, a week, a month or even years from now. I still have computers that run '98 and ME and they run it just fine. Support? That's nothing more than a sick sales gimmick, to get people to spend their money for the latest and greatest (that's debatable) version of some software.
I've never played that game in the past 30+ years and I'm not going to start now.

This is supposed to be a HELP forum not the "Liars Club" so stop telling people that if they don't buy the very latest of everything that they will suffer greatly. That's just plain BS!

Well,when I said that Windows XP had more theme support. What I was trying to say was that Windows XP Home Edition that is on my Netbooks,lets you change the wallpaper. But on Windows 7 Netbooks,they only have Windows 7 Starter that does not have any features to change the wallpaper.Unless you upgrade to Home Premium and above. Or if you want to keep Windows 7 Starter,you have to install third party software like Oceanis or Personalization Panel to change the wallpaper. And on Windows XP you can change the background pages of control panel from blue to olive green or silver or just classic view. But on Windows 7,although you make change control panel to icon view, or list view,you cannot change the page color from default white.

But the fact that you only get Windows 7 Starter on a Netbook is the fault of the makers,the people who make the Netbooks,not Windows 7. Although you can upgrade if you want to. But because Windows XP Netbooks are sold with Home Edition,you have the full features. Including change the wallpaper, or add your own,so you don't have to install third party software to do it. And Windows XP and Windows Vista has the classic start menu included. But Windows 7 does not have,unless you install Classic Shell. So there is a difference.

I read on the web that there is a Windows XP Starter and Windows Vista Starter but that not sold in England or the USA on Netbooks. So we don't have to worry about that. Andrea Borman.

Originally Posted by OldTimer

Untruths abound!

As far as Firefox 3.6.?? is concerned, version 20 was just released last week or so.
I've never understood this crap about "Support" for some piece of software, like XP. If it runs OK today, it will run OK, a week, a month or even years from now. I still have computers that run '98 and ME and they run it just fine. Support? That's nothing more than a sick sales gimmick, to get people to spend their money for the latest and greatest (that's debatable) version of some software.
I've never played that game in the past 30+ years and I'm not going to start now.

This is supposed to be a HELP forum not the "Liars Club" so stop telling people that if they don't buy the very latest of everything that they will suffer greatly. That's just plain BS!

I wasn't actually saying anyone should buy the latest and greatest. May have read that way but that wasn't my intention. I was merely commenting on andrea's post about wallpapers and how it can do whatever xp can but is securer to boot. Whether anyone buy's it or not I could careless about.

Originally Posted by Andrea Borman

But the fact that you only get Windows 7 Starter on a Netbook is the fault of the makers

I'm sorry but that's also untrue as my Asus EEEPC Netbook came with Windows 7 Home Premium.

But my Netbooks are all 1GB Netbooks-HP Mini 210 and they all come with Windows 7 Starter. But I upgraded 2 of my Netbooks to Windows 7 Professional. So you must have a 2GB Netbook. I have seen those in the shops and the 2GB ones do have Windows 7 Home Premium. But not the 1GB Netbooks.

My Windows XP Netbooks are Acer Aspire One 1GB and MSI Wind 1GB and came with Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3. Which I still have.
But they have since made a Windows 7 version of Acer Aspire One 1GB Netbook,but that only has Windows 7 Starter. And the Windows 7 version of MSI Wind 1GB Netbook,also only has Windows 7 Starter. Andrea Borman.