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    Re: Cant take it any more

    A few of us 'old timers' who have built our own computers for the past 30+ years, don't want to be told by our OS that we don't have permission to do something. All this "Security", so to speak, is really redundant, because most of us are smart enough to run GOOD AV and AS software on our PC's to keep them safe.
    Anyone who does NOT use protection, deserves whatever they get. Having unsafe internet is as bad as having unsafe S*E*X.

    I've taken the steps to insure that every file on my computer is 100% under MY control.

    "Grant Full Admin Control" is just 'Take Ownership' on Steroids!

    Happy New Year!
    O.T.

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    Re: Cant take it any more

    There is little need, or purpose, to take ownership of system files or, as I expressed earlier, Junction files, unless the intention is to hack into something - not unknown, I've done it myself! The OS security is merely stopping the user from doing something accidentally, which could have serious consequences. That is the nature of the security, discussed in this thread. It certainly does not prevent the mischief maker from outside from getting on to your computer. Nor, for that matter, does antivirus control. But it does, possibly, help him to move along and find a more vulnerable user.
    For what it is worth (very little) I have also been in the business for 30 years - still learning. If you google, you may even find, somewhere around 2006/7, that I, and many other Vista testers around the same time, actually posted the now well known
    "Take ownership" scripts, as we got weary of having to alter the security manually to test out essential elements of the OS.

    I'm a 77 Year oldtimer, by the way.

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    Re: Cant take it any more

    Ah so! So what you're saying is "do as I say, not as I do" Eh?

    That's OK. I can understand that.

    Just because you install either Take Ownership or Grant Full Admin Control, doesn't automatically give you or anyone full access to system files. You would have to take control over the Windows folder for that to happen.

    I usually just take control over the Program Files folders and the My Documents folders.
    You have to be able to un-hide hidden files and take ownership, to Activate Windows Mail in Win-7.
    I do that for my new Win-7 customers who are used to using Outlook Express as their email program.
    Windows Mail is almost identical to O.E.6 and the migration of folders and address book is pretty simple.

    Happy New Year, Y'all !


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    Re: Cant take it any more

    The problem is that Widows 7 sometimes denies my access to folders that I created myself a few days before.
    I have no idea why.

    But I try and open a folder or access a file and I get the "You don't have permission to do this" message.

    These aren't system files, these are the files I'm working with, so why won't it let me access them unless I use something like Grant Full Admin Control.

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    Re: Cant take it any more

    "Ah so! So what you're saying is "do as I say, not as I do" Eh? "
    Nowhere, that I can see, have I suggested that.- As far as I am concerned, using a computer is like tasting wine. What works for you and makes you happy - go with it
    But sorry. I am ducking out of this thread as it now seems to be turning somewhat into a nowin argument- something I try hard to avoid on forums.
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    Re: Cant take it any more

    I love Wine!

    Mike, that's my point exactly, why should I have to consult someone else for permission to do something on my own computer, when I AM the IT manager! Who else would it be?
    I built this dang computer, installed the OS and all the programs on it, so who should I have to call for any kind of permission?
    I shouldn't have to phone Bill Gates every time I want to rename a file or delete something.

    I have a 'Package' of software, scripts and tweaks that I run when I'm installing any new PC. or setting one up for myself.
    In that package I take full ownership of every file on my computer. That package is available for download on my web page.
    I get NONE of those infuriating messages telling me I don't have permission to do something.

    Don't force it.....get a bigger hammer!

    Happy New Year!


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